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Jun 02 2023 (20:04)   12841/Coromandel Express (PT) | BLS/Baleshwar (4 PFs)
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12841 howrah chennai coromandel Express derailment near soro stn ( Balasore, SER)
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Jun 03 2023 (23:48)
dmahadik
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First of all condolence for the departed and speedy recovery for the injured.

I would like to complete the narrative provided by member 1844918 (Saptarshi). I also base the assessment on Joint Investigation Report taken from click here Note: This based on available information and may change with new information.

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1) 12841 (Coromandel) travelling at full speed (under green signal on main line) ends up taking a turnout (Junction Point #17) to the loop line, survives the turnout at high speed.
2) 12841 rams into stationary goods train rake. Loco and few coaches climb up on top of the goods train rake. Several coaches crumple up and many of them are capsized. Some of them fall on the DN main line where 12864 (SMVT HWH) was crossing.
3) Last two bogies of 12864 also get derailed on impact at high speed.

Possible points of failure :
- Mechanical malfunction at junction (without feedback to station master / cabin). I have not come across another instance of this happening, ever. Does anyone else know of such failures?
- Human error / sabotage of diverting 12841 to loop line : Unlikely, unless this was also accompanied by a signal failure .. as pointed out by members, signal won't be green when train is taken to loop line.
- I do not give much importance to classical RW theories of sabotage like fishplate damage, sleepers, etc. because those cannot result in 12841 loco climbing on top of stationary goods train. It can happen only if the rake rammed from behind in a controlled path (i.e. while on track).
- S&T works at junction point 17 are also not very plausible, because several trains would have passed this busy junction in the minutes leading to the accident. Besides, why would they be working at that hour?

It would be interesting to hear the accounts of a) crew from stationary rake, b) crew from 12864, c) guard of 12841, d) cabin controllers, and e) S&T staff working on #17, if any. Distances between different points will also help us understand exactly what happened .. for instance, how far was the guard's cabin of the stationary rake from the turnout. The story is not complete, but all indications are for a fault at the turnout (and not a human error), because it is the only plausible explanation remaining. As they say "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

I welcome any criticism related to logical flaws in this story.

On a side note, imagine the horror if 12864 arrived a few seconds later.

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Jun 03 2023 (23:51)
dmahadik
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as I explain elsewhere, preliminary report of YPR HWH derailment is inaccurate. It got hit by Coromandel bogies and then the last two coaches derailed.

In other words, YPR-HWH had no role in the accident because it passed the spot (except the unfortunate last few bogies). Imagine the horror if it had arrived the spot a few seconds late !
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Jun 04 2023 (10:11)
dmahadik
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Will the LP figure out the track at such high speed ?
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Jun 04 2023 (11:13)
dmahadik
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Sadly, the LP has passed away. ALP is in ICU.
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Jun 04 2023 (11:17)
dmahadik
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Sampark Kranti incident may have happened at slow speed, and/or with a different signal. I have never been in a loco, but LP/ALP cannot figure out the tracks .. at high speed they ought to rely on signals .. esp at night time.

Am I right?
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Jun 04 2023 (11:19)
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"The minister said the inquiry into the train accident has been completed and rail safety commissioner will submit the report at the earliest.

'The commissioner of railway safety has investigated
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the matter and let the investigation report come. But we have identified the cause of the incident and the people responsible for it... It happened due to a change in electronic interlocking. Right now our focus is on restoration,' the minister added.

According to Indian Railways, electronic Interlocking (EI) system is a microprocessor-based interlocking equipment to read the yard and panel inputs; process them in a fail-safe manner as per the selection table and generate the required output. This system is the alternative to the conventional Relay Interlocking system (PI & RRI), the ministry says."

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Jun 05 2023 (11:30)
dmahadik
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Very keen observation by Satish Acharya. Hope the questions get answered and we travel more by the safest mode.
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Jun 18 2023 (20:26)
dmahadik
dmahadik   24 blog posts
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There was a story about automatic boom barrier at level crossing that was faulty and required some workaround (jugaad). Could that have caused the accident, I can't understand how?

Does anyone have details ?
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Jun 19 2023 (10:52)
dmahadik
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Is there a need for linking boom barrier with the signals ? Right-of-way is for railways, and we know how unruly is the road side crowd .. they often create a jam on the middle of the tracks as soon as the gate opens. If boom barrier fails, then a big bright road signal needs to be put in place.

Besides, this design gives an incentive to local road side crowd to tamper with the barrier (you may have seen such arrangements on highway toll plaza). If they know that train signal
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is linked to this, they'll tamper. When they know that train is not going to stop, they'll be cautious.

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Jun 18 2023 (20:34)   12780/Goa Express (PT) | VSG/Vasco-da-Gama (3 PFs)
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Jun 18 2023 (23:02)
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Bhaiya ji, 10,000 me ek seat mil rhi hai iska matlab ye nahi hai ki log 10,000 me kharid rahe hai. NZM-VSG general quota me sirf 10 ticket hai, aur WL 30 rehta hai .. unme se koi bhi le nahi rahaa hai 10,000 ka ticket !!
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Jun 18 2023 (18:17)  
dmahadik
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Nagpur has India's only diamond crossing, and I have seen trains slow down there. But when I see the IR map, there are only 3 lines meeting at Nagpur Jn (fourth one does not connect to BG line). So how does the diamond work, or is the map wrong ?

Map taken from click here
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In the wake of recent rail accident at pokhrayan, should railways shun the plan of running bullet train and instead channelize all resources towards implementing safety measures given in khanna committee report/ fill vacancies in signal/track safety department
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Jun 17 2023 (14:06)
dmahadik
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Ab hum bole to kya boley
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Jun 30 2019 (21:19)   Salient Features of Western Zone Time Table effective from 1.7.2019 (Pertaining to Central Railway)

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Jul 03 2019 (07:27)
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Kolhapur-Miraj slowdown maybe due to track doubling / electrification works. Its better to have scheduled slowdown rather than megablocks.
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Jul 03 2019 (07:56)
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Great work on 11051/52 Kolhapur - Solapur Superfast express !
It would be fantastic if 22156 Miraj - Solapur is extended till Kolhapur, and gets a CC. It will increase connectivity with Hyderabad.
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