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09722⇒12986/Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express
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-Beverages-; Tea, coffee, cold drinks.; -Snacks- ; Bread cutlet,...
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bread omelette, paneer kulchha, sandwich, burger, pizza, wafers, cake, biscuits. ; -Dinner-; Thali, egg biryani, veg biryani.; Courteous catering staff and nice presentation.
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May 24 (2:42PM)   12986/Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express | DEE/Delhi Sarai Rohilla (5 PFs)        

Sameer Bhatnagar   130 blog posts  
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Jaipur Double Decker With Lucknow WDP-4D #40181 (Twilight Action @ Taj Nagar)
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May 10 (2:17PM)   12583/Lucknow Jn. - Delhi Anand ViharT DoubleDecker Express        

Prakhar Yadav**   2890 blog posts   401 correct pred (81% accurate)  
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May 10 2015 (5:08PM)
What m trying to say is a icf shat can b easily ran with 15coaches carrying almost same no
but Now since now DD sud b ran only on existing shat routes only
E&OE

May 10 2015 (2:53PM)
Last but not d least, some positive scope
DDs wud b a assest where it can replace 24coacher or max coaches train with same comfort and everything
(Courtesy: ABhishek SIngh)
E&OE

May 10 2015 (2:33PM)
*heavy investment and manpower in R&D
E&OE

May 10 2015 (2:26PM)
Not to forget
*RDSO trials and certificate
*CRS trails
*curve issues
*pf manipulation
E&OE

May 10 2015 (2:19PM)
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May 10 2015 (2:19PM)
Train Tag: Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express/12986 added by Prakhar Yadav**/622971

May 10 2015 (2:19PM)
Train Tag: Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla AC Double Decker Express/12985 added by Prakhar Yadav**/622971

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May 10 2015 (2:18PM)
Train Tag: Lucknow - Delhi Anand ViharT Double Decker Express/12583 added by Prakhar Yadav**/622971
...THE AC DOUBLE DECKER...
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Indian Railways launched much hyped a new category of trains i.e. "AC Double Decker" on various routes in 2011 during Ms. Mamta Banerjee rail ministry
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WR Ahmedabad - Mumbai Central Double Decker Express
WCR Bhopal – Indore Double Decker Express [RSA]
SR Chennai - Bangalore Double Decker Express
SCR Guntur - Kacheguda Double Decker Express [RSA] [to be DEFUNCT]
ECR Habibganj - Indore Junction Double Decker Express [RSA]
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ER Howrah – Dhanbad Double Decker Express [DEFUNCT]
NWR Jaipur - Delhi Sarai Rohilla Double Decker Express
SCR Kacheguda - Tirupati Double Decker Express [RSA] [to be DEFUNCT]
NER Lucknow - Anand Vihar Double Decker Express
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Of these many couldn't b a success probably due to :-
*Less Leg Room (Legs seems to be crushed)
*Width of seats is less (fat people cant travel comfortably)
*Luggage Problem
*Lack of PC on longer routes/ journey (AC pax dont prefer to get down to buy RAIL NEER/soft drinks etc )
*(Inputs welcomed)
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Not to forget
*heavy investment and manpower in R&D
*RDSO trials and certificate
*CRS trails
*curve issues
*pf manipulation
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The POINT is dont run DDs for d sake of running tag "DOUBLE DECKER" in the country.
its a waste exercise if its not ran in conducive way or optimum utilized.
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But v hav witnessed certain DDs which r successful such as JP-DEE, ADI-BCT, MAS-SBC, LJN-ANVT but lets us clear that dese have become successful dont bcoz of DOUBLE DECKER concept but bcoz of route demanding a AC train. not to forget JP-DEE has 2 shat EC coaches.
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another point
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consider newly inaugurated LJN-ANVT DD which has 10 CC
so lets compare
10x120=1200 seats
15*78=1170 seats
What m trying to say is a icf shat can b easily ran with 15coaches carrying almost same no. of passengers
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there r HBJ - INDB -BPL - INDB - HBJ DD which jst hav 3 coaches whereas it was said DD wud clear rush
what a joke !
instead of above DD, a simple ICE consisting of GEN, 2S, CC would do boon for passengers
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Therefore, I wud suggest to run ICF shats without catering charges on wherever routes required.
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Now dese existing DD sud b ran only on existing shat routes only.
I have heard manufacturing of DD has been stopped.
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Last but not d least, some positive scope.
DDs wud b a assest where it can replace 24coacher or max coaches train with same comfort and everything....
(Courtesy: ABhishek SIngh)
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Feedbacks plz !
(inputs also welcomed)
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E&OE

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May 15 (12:38AM)        

Prakhar Yadav**   2890 blog posts   401 correct pred (81% accurate)  
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hmm. but if CRS can giv a certificate to complete DD rake, but DD coach k lie dilwaa dena chiahye...
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GR's CC fare seems to b an option, it seems for its success

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May 15 (12:40AM)        

Prakhar Yadav**   2890 blog posts   401 correct pred (81% accurate)  
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roads which r in dilapidated roads, ppl r bound to travel in trains.
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dere r other reasons for which ppl refer a rail journey.

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May 15 (12:41AM)        

Prakhar Yadav**   2890 blog posts   401 correct pred (81% accurate)  
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May 15 2015 (1:12AM)
so too short journey DD cant b ran

May 15 2015 (12:57AM)
one of d source/destnation needs to b a metro for d success of full ac train? train
one of d source/destnation needs to b a metro for d success of full ac train.
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so too short journey DD cant b ran.

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May 15 (7:25AM)        

IR QUIZ MASTER   1186 blog posts   776 correct pred (63% accurate)  
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May 15 2015 (7:26AM)
I'm working out on the diagrams of dd and lhb 3ac coach and will shortly come up with the coach dimension, sear seat dimensions and full diagram
DD coaches can be turned into sleeper coaches with two tier berth arrangement. I'm working out on the diagrams of dd and lhb 3ac coach and will shortly come up with the coach dimension, seat dimensions and full diagram. Have a rough diagram ready and according to it 80 -84 sleeper berth double decker sleeper express can be made with spare coaches and can be run on shorter routes like bct-adi duronto, lko-ndls ac exp, etc.

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May 15 (8:18AM)        

Cockhead   259 blog posts   363 correct pred (70% accurate)  
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But a separate eog is required if a dd coach is attached to a normal train. But this concept is good.

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May 15 (9:42AM)        

LHB for Bilaspur Rajdhani   105 blog posts  
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Let me take points one by one:
1-Leg seems to be crushed-Believe me its still comfortable than Yuva express and a little movement or change of posture can help it.
2-Width of seats is less(Fat people can't travel)- This seems to be a personal problem. I am fat & gets uncomfortable in Alto but that doesn't mean Maruti shouldn't manufacture Alto. I will look forward to Tata Safari & so such people should go for shatabdi.
3) Luggage problem- It's comparatively less and can be manageable. You should be glad that unlike airlines you don't have 15 kg bar.
4) Lack of pantry car- Sir it would take minor adjustments to tackle
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this. Ac people get ready to pay extra & IR will send the Rail Neer guy inside the train. Agree.
So my point is it's more than a tag that IR is running DD so that many people travel at the expense of little comfort. And with UP being the 5th most populous country in the world, the 12583/84 will still find enough takers.
Also two EC coaches in JP DD shows that people want AC trains but there are other poor people like me who would like a lower cost air conditioned travel.
Indb bpl dd is exception so I will discuss it later.
And your idea of bringing back icf shat coaches will put IR on back track. I would like to plead members to stay optimistic that in near future, we'll have high speed corridors so DD will be hauled at mps making the journey in much lesser time.
Thank You.
Opinions, Appreciations & Criticisms are welcome.

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PK   178 blog posts  
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JP DEE JP DD is successfull because of very poor state of Jaipur Delhi NH 8. Volvos running between Delhi Jaipur are almost empty and take 7-8 hours for journey. DD takes 4hrs between Delhi (Delhi Can't. South Delhi) and Jaipur. Fare of Volvo much higher than DD. This is in sharp contrast to private Volvos and DD running between Bhopal and Indore.

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झांसी इंदौर एक्सप्रेस   1548 blog posts   2684 correct pred (71% accurate)  
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The story of "AC DOUBLE DECKER EXP" by PRAKHAR YADAV** ....gr8 :)

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May 15 (2:35PM)        

LHB for Bilaspur Rajdhani   105 blog posts  
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Yes but instead of EC coaches if they had the option of attaching extra DD coaches, it will still find enough takers.
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May 16 (8:06AM)   12985/Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla AC Double Decker Express        

ಸ್ಪರ್ಶ स्पर्श Sparsh**   4579 blog posts   340 correct pred (71% accurate)  
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This train should stop at Dausa or Bandikui atleast. It will increase patronage also. It will facilitate Mehndipur Balaji visiting Passengers also.

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PK   178 blog posts  
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Alwar stopage hone ke baad 12986 DD hamesha Jaipur late pahuchne lagi hai. Alwar se mushkil se 5-6 passengers chadte hain. Agar Alwar ka yeh haal hai to Dausa Bandikui Stoppage karna to ek superfast ko local me badalna jaisa hoga. Fir yeh 4.5 hrs ki journey ko 5 ghante me kargegi jisse iske regular passengers JP GGN DEC DEE door ho jayange aur 6-7 months me iske coach bhi kam hokar 5-6 hi rah jayenge. Apka suggestion is train to Bhopal Indore DD bana dega. Waise be NH8 ka kaam 7-8 mahine me complete ho jayega. Fir DD ko Volvo se compettiotion karna padega.
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May 17 (2:19PM)   12985/Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla AC Double Decker Express        

PK   178 blog posts  
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12985 has more MPS than 12986.

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May 17 (2:21PM)        

extremely painful last 7 days as IR fan   55796 blog posts   4626 correct pred (78% accurate)  
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Both have 110kmph

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May 17 (2:36PM)        

PK   178 blog posts  
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But while traveling in 12985 one day max speed shown on display board on DD was 115 kmph. You say MPs 110 kmph. It means driver on that day was exceeding speed limit. It was hauled by TKD WDP 4D 40109 on that day.

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May 17 (2:39PM)        

PK   178 blog posts  
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While returning back to Jaipur after 2 days DD was hauled by Prateek TKD WDP4B 40079 in SHF mode. Top speed on that day was 113-114 kmph for 12986.

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PK   178 blog posts  
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I think that loco pilots normally exceed MPS by 4-5 kmph which is not dangerous.

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extremely painful last 7 days as IR fan   55796 blog posts   4626 correct pred (78% accurate)  
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+ - 5 km ph is GPS error.
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May 17 (2:32PM)   12985/Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla AC Double Decker Express        

PK   178 blog posts  
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I have noticed double stack container train at Reengus junction hauled by Kalyan WDM3D. It jerked and shaked platform at reengus junction while passing. I think that this train runs between rewari and kandla.
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May 17 (2:23PM)   12985/Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla AC Double Decker Express        

PK   178 blog posts  
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There was an article in Rajasthan patrika few days back that 2 special AC Anubhuti type coaches will be added to Jaipur Delhi Double Decker and Ajmer Shatabdi between Jaipur and Delhi with higher fares fully reserved for foreign tourists only.

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May 17 (2:24PM)        

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This should be done as soon as possible so that foreign tourists should be encouraged. This is should also be done for Bhopal and Agra Jaipur Shatabdi also.

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May 17 (2:28PM)        

PK   178 blog posts  
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If this is done DD will be running with 19 coaches. As DD is now hauled by EMD regularly even 24 coaches are possible. If in future DD gets 24 coaches what a storm will be created by WDP4B/ WDP4D at 115 kmph.

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May 17 (2:29PM)        

PK   178 blog posts  
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This is great idea for convenience of foreign tourists coning to India.
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May 15 (12:40PM)   12986/Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express        

PK   178 blog posts  
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3-4 3AC LHB Rajdhani coaches should be added to JP DEE DD so that people enjoy more comfortable journey.

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Than this DD would be running with 20-21 coaches.

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What is the meaning of DD Exp. If you want to add normal coaches?
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Apr 15 2015 (1:37PM)   12583/Lucknow Jn. - Delhi Anand ViharT DoubleDecker Express | LJN/Lucknow Junction NER (6 PFs)        

Prakhar Yadav**   2890 blog posts   401 correct pred (81% accurate)  
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Apr 25 2015 (5:01PM)
Train Tag: Anand Vihar - Lucknow Jn. Double Decker Express/12584 added by Prakhar Yadav*/622971

Apr 15 2015 (1:54PM)
Plans of RSA with NWR's 12985/86 Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla-Jaipur DD
Plans of RSA with NWR's 12985/86 Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla-Jaipur DD
12583 LJN DEE DD LJN 0930hrs - DEE 1715hrs 12986 DEE JP DD DEE 1735hrs - JP 2205hrs

Apr 15 2015 (1:38PM)
Station Tag: Jaipur Junction/JP added by Prakhar Yadav*/622971

Apr 15 2015 (1:38PM)
Station Tag: Delhi Sarai Rohilla/DEE added by Prakhar Yadav*/622971

Apr 15 2015 (1:38PM)
Train Tag: Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla AC Double Decker Express/12985 added by Prakhar Yadav*/622971

Apr 15 2015 (1:38PM)
Train Tag: Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express/12986 added by Prakhar Yadav*/622971
Plans of RSA with NWR's 12985/86 Jaipur-Delhi Sarai Rohilla-Jaipur DD
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Amar Ujala LJN edition dated 29 Mar' 15 previous article. /blog/post/1410791
Navbharat Times LJN edition dated 15Apr' 15
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Possibility
12985 JP DEE DD JP 0600hrs - DEE/DLI 1030hrs - 12584 DEE/DLI 1050hrs - LJN 1845hrs
12583 LJN DEE DD LJN 0930hrs - DEE 1715hrs 12986 DEE JP DD DEE 1735hrs - JP 2205hrs

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LKO - ANVT bhi agar is time par chalegi to flop hai .. morning me chalaye.. aur 7 hrs me pahoche.. fir return ho jaye.. afternoon me.. tabhi kam ki hogi .. otherwise flop hi rahegi

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Apr 17 2015 (8:43AM)        

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Just to add to your view stop taking travelers for granted. Run trains on time, at the right time.

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Apr 17 2015 (10:48AM)        

Prakhar Yadav**   2890 blog posts   401 correct pred (81% accurate)  
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TT toh reverse shat k timings mei hi aacha hai....
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but maintenance kasie ho fir ?
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shayad is tarah daily bhi ho jaye bcoz shubh daily ka slot nhi hai....
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May 17 2013 (10:08AM)   12986/Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express | PTNR/Patel Nagar (7 PFs)        
 

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JAIPUR DOUBLE DECKER !
Curve just before entering Patel Nagar , New Delhi !
By Arjun WAP-5 #30006

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12301 KOLKATA RAJDHANI 12302*^   3158 blog posts   5134 correct pred (66% accurate)  
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Sensational!
Thanks for sharing, Sir!
Just could not resist myself from giving a comment other than the opinion GREAT!
:-)

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May 17 2013 (11:23AM)        

maheshsunda**   3864 blog posts   29224 correct pred (70% accurate)  
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What a color match between the loco and the rake! Looks like the loco was tailor made for this rake.

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May 17 2013 (11:24AM)        

shiva1992**   6147 blog posts   387 correct pred (58% accurate)  
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this dd is having more coaches than mas-sbc dd what about patronage

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May 17 2013 (4:29PM)        

extremely painful last 7 days as IR fan   55796 blog posts   4626 correct pred (78% accurate)  
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it has 17 coaches total
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Apr 25 2015 (11:12PM)   12986/Delhi Sarai Rohilla - Jaipur AC Double Decker Express        

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Today 25 th April Saturday 12986 double decker arrived at Jaipur with BGKT WDP4D instead of TKD WDP4D/B.

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Loco was BGKT WDP4D 40097
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