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Blog Entry# 2034126  
Posted: Oct 24 2016 (08:43)

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Last Response: Oct 25 2016 (12:49)
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Oct 24 2016 (07:37)   Few takers for double-decker train comeback

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Entry# 2034126   News Entry# 283868         Tags   Past Edits
Calcutta-based dance teacher Swadesh Kumar and his friends (below) are all prepared to enjoy the ride as Dhanbad-Howrah Double Decker Chhath Puja Special (02386) chugs out of Dhanbad station on Sunday after a gap of a year.
The special AC train with 638 seats, however, had only 50 passengers on its comeback run.
To run till November 8, the train was flagged off from Dhanbad station at 7.40am in the presence of DRM Manoj Krishna Akhauri and other senior officials.
reached Howrah at 1pm, an hour behind schedule.
A frequent traveller between Howrah and Dhanbad, Pawan Verma said they had a comfortable journey except for the fact that the train reached Howrah an hour late. He also confessed he felt hungry during the trip.
"I think the train should have some catering arrangements. Even vendors were not allowed inside," said Verma, who was travelling along with family and a friend.
But, Verma also added the train should continue to run so that the passengers could have an alternative after Coalfield Express morning blamed on the inconvenient timings and higher fares. In its earlier stint from 2011 to 2015, the train (12385 Up) started from Howrah at 8.35am and arrived in Dhanbad at 12.50pm. On return journey, it (12386 Down) used to depart from Dhanbad at 6.30pm and reach Howrah at 10.40pm.
On its return journey, the train (02385) left Howrah at 2.35pm and reached Dhanbad at 6.50pm. The train has three stops between Dhanbad and Howrah - Kumbardubi, Barakar and Asansol. Its fare is Rs 545 for an adult and Rs 390 for a child.

15 posts - Mon Oct 24, 2016

Oct 24 2016 (18:26)
عمران جاوید◆◆◆   3948 blog posts   915 correct pred (63% accurate)
Re# 2034126-18            Tags   Past Edits
what is the estimated loss for runin a train with 50 passengers whose capactiy is 638

Oct 24 2016 (19:02)
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Re# 2034126-19            Tags   Past Edits
(1) Gatiman's speciality is it being a super premium train(much better than Shatabdi). Its fares are higher than Shatabdi due to much superior on board facilities/food and train host/hostess. AC DD is a higher volume and inferior travel than normal ACC and its fares should have been kept a bit lower than ACC. So ACDD coaches in Gatiman shall go against its super luxury status. (I wonder what would be difference between the Gatiman & proposed Tejas & Shatabdi of course)
(2) Mumbai-Pune is excellent destination for ACDD but existing rail route is longer than Mum-Pune express way route, it is full of curves and steep gradients since it was planned and constructed about 150 years ago. A cumulative effect is much
higher journey time than buses/ cars. So major traffic is on the Mum-Pune expressway
Today a straight rail track without curves and gradients but with longer tunnel route & without any speed restrictions/ banking loco is possible. Such track shall have higher initial cost but the recurring saving of fuel cost, journey time, operation/maintenance cost shall make it a better option.
I personally wish that instead of extra track from Kalyan-Pune, IR should construct straighter route from LTT to Pune via thane creek which may be any where around 120-140km long. This may run parallel to existing tracks for some length (LTT-Vashi, and for some distance from Pune along Pune-Karjat line) and run 160kmph+ full ac trains (60-90 minute journey for non stop/with stops journey) and 130kmph non ac LHB trains (75-105 minute journey) in large numbers. Passenger response to these "desi bullet trains" shall give a good indication whether bullet trains for about 500km journey shall be be successful in India or not?

Oct 24 2016 (22:05)
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Bad selection of the route is the biggest reason. It was known to Railways the no one will travel in this and again it would be a flop still the train was launched. Why don't they just transfer the rake to some other zone where an Intelligent use of that could be done.

Oct 25 2016 (12:46)
DQ is the best   698 blog posts   162 correct pred (66% accurate)
Re# 2034126-21            Tags   Past Edits
I agree that Gatimaan is super luxurious train. But to increase the tourism in Agra, a normal AC Superfast train could serve the purpose. AC DD can in fact make 2 rounds to Agra in a day. The journey time of 2 hrs could also not be a issue for those uncomfortable seats of DD.
Your second point of a new track between Pune and Mumbai. This is apart from a costly affair, not a immediate solution. They can attract passengers on this route by offering a ticket price lower than Volvo bus and lesser journey time by traveling via Panvel Vashi to Kurla and Dadar with halts at Panvel and Vashi. AC DD via Vashi sounds odd but worth giving
a thought.

Oct 25 2016 (12:49)
DQ is the best   698 blog posts   162 correct pred (66% accurate)
Re# 2034126-22            Tags   Past Edits
I disagree to the point that IR knew no one will travel in this train and still it was launched. They never had idea that DD will be a big flop show. It is only that train concepts are introduced without prior study.

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