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Blog Entry# 2373195
Posted: Aug 07 2017 (03:12)

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Last Response: Feb 18 2018 (13:08)
Aug 07 2017 (02:49)   Chennai Central - Mangaluru Central SF Mail (PT)/12601   Train - Train Name/Number

HOG WAM4 WAP1~   116 Conf TLs   0 Void TLs
Number: 12601
Train Name: Chennai - Mangaluru SF Mail
Regional Name: சென்னை - மங்களூர் அதிவிரைவு மெயில் / ಚೆನೈ - ಮಂಗಳೂರು ಸೂಪರ್ ಫಾಸ್ಟ್ ಮೇಲ್
Hindi Name: चेन्नई - मंगलुरू सुपरफास्ट मेल
Inaugural Run: 1862-05-12

Dec 12 2016 (14:23)   (previous value)
Timeline Entry# 1086654
by: Vijeth Bharadwaj*^~
Number: 12601
Train Name: Chennai - Mangaluru SF Mail
Regional Name: சென்னை - மங்களூர் அதிவிரைவு மெயில் / ಚೆನೈ - ಮಂಗಳೂರು ಸೂಪರ್ ಫಾಸ್ಟ್ ಮೇಲ್
Hindi Name: चेन्नई - मंगलुरू सुपरफास्ट मेल

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Feb 18 2018 (04:54)
mnj777~   354 blog posts   12 correct pred (80% accurate)
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Are you sure regarding this being the oldest train in south? I think some trains were running from Madras to Coimbatore/further even before this connection??

Feb 18 2018 (08:22)
HOG WAM4 WAP1~   3594 blog posts
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Well, they may have, but none of them are operational anymore. To give you an idea, trains operations in the 1800's were not like what we are familiar with today. Traffic was low, and there were no 'named' trains running on routes. In fact, until the Railway budget was started as a separate budget in 1924, NONE of the administrative reports about Indian railways ever mention anything about the trains running on the routes! From 1853 till 1924, no administrative reports ever mention anything about new trains, schedules etc. Only the 'number' of trains and statistics like number of passengers, number of train miles etc were reported, as services were continuously altered based on demand. The idea of a rigid timetable and standard trains only started taking shape in the 1900s.
And mixed trains would be operated on routes as the construction progressed. The first train in the south ran between Royapuram and Walajah road. No trace of this train remains today. This was neither a mail train, nor an express train or a passenger train. To the Madras railway, the company that operated the route this was just a scheduled service that was continuously altered based on demand and requirements. When the railway was further expanded towards Katpadi/Salem, it wasn't the original train that was extended. For sometime, a single train would run on the entire route, while on other occasions, it would run as two separate trains and terminate at an intermediate station. Even the much hyped Bangalore mail, was just another normal train until the 1930's. It was only in the 30's and 40's that the glamour of 'dedicated', timetabled trains started resulting in fixed scheduled and named trains.
Until the 1900's, practically all railways in India had an 'unspoken' rule about having only one fast train running the entire length of their route. In that sense, yes, there were trains already running till Podanur (Coimbatore came onto the railway map in 1871-73) before this, and till Salem or JTJ before that. But those were only temporary ones and their operations were continuously subject to change, and most of them vanished in the later years. But the only unchanged service was the single 'end-to-end' service on the route which ran till Beypore at the time.
This train is not the oldest one on the route, but it is the oldest 'organized' train service on the route that is still operational today. Pick any of the present day trains running on this route, and one can trace their origins easily enough. Only a few ones like the SBC-AJJ passenger,MAS-MAQ mail, MAS-CSTM mail have origins tracing to even older times. All the other ones are much younger.

Feb 18 2018 (08:35)
HOG WAM4 WAP1~   3594 blog posts
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Following up to the previous post, as of 1870, there were 11 trains in both directions in all of Madras railway (including the two routes, one towards JTJ and the other towards GTL) on weekdays and only 3 trains in each direction on weekends. There were only 2 long distance trains that ran along the entire length of their routes. This includes short distance mixed trains between MAS-KPD, MAs-JTJ and Podanur-Beypore among other non-important trains.
While there was a concept of a 'mail' train, it was not a fixed train. Any train that carried mail would be labelled as a 'mail' train. There would however be one long distance, fast train running the entire length of the route
which would always carry mail. Short distance passenger trains would also carry mail based on demand.
1- Mail train to Podanur. This is actually the mail train to Beypore. Night running for mail trains wasn't allowed until the mid 1870's. The mail used to depart from Madras in the morning, halt at Podanur for the entire night, and then continue towards Beypore. This route would take the mail from Madras to places on the South-west line. A similar connecting train operated on the Bangalore route, which connected to the Beyore bound train at Jolarpettai for the transfer of passengers and mail. By 1879, night time mail train operations were working and the Beypore bound mail train used to depart in the evening at Madras and have a continuous run to Beypore without the overnight halt at Podanur. In fact, the mails were the only trains running on the route in the night.
2- Mail train to Cuddapah/Guntakal - This was the north-west line train towards Cuddapah and later towards Raichur and Bombay. Until the early 1880's, the journey to Bombay was done in three parts as night operations were not allowed on the Bhor ghats. The passenger had a full day journey to Guntakal, where they owuld halt for the night, continue the next day to Wadi, and after a 2nd night's halt at SUR or Daund, pass over the Bhor ghats in daylight and arrive at Bombay on the third day.

Feb 18 2018 (12:04)
mnj777~   354 blog posts   12 correct pred (80% accurate)
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Thanks for very useful info, it was just my guess because Covai side had train built first for exporting cotton from the hinterland there to Madras port and could be definitely the oldest line in south. Even in the books I've read there was only info about Goods,fare, earnings and types of goods. Not a passenger service,only fares were written between stations . Mas cstm wasn't connected that early sir, it only started in 1868(2nd ref) . You were right beypore to mas was first, but didn't the route pass through Coimbatore?

Feb 18 2018 (13:08)
HOG WAM4 WAP1~   3594 blog posts
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That's why I mentioned 'later on to Raichur and Guntakal'. The link to Bombay was completed in 1871. The construction towards Renigunta from Arakkonam started in 1861 and the line till Cuddapah was complete by 1865. It was paused for a while after that as there was considerable opposition to the route chosen for the Bombay route.
Covai side? Do you mean Coimbatore side?
The south-west line was not built for Madras port. It was mainly built to bring Madras closer to the west. Form
the time the Madras railway company was incorporated, their objective was to connect Madras to Beypore (which was considered as the next big place in the South). While this would help in bringing produce and material from the West coast to Madras, more importantly, it would shorten the transit time to Madras by almost 2 days! Ships which earlier, had to go all the way around the southern tip of the continent, could now just dock at Beypore and the cargo, passengers could be sent off to Madras in a little less than a day by train. Further, steamers would move the cargo from Madras to Calcutta.
No, Coimbatore was not on the initial route. The British tried to emulate the American practice of having villages and towns develop around railway stations. Unfortunately, India was already a well-populated country and this did not work. They chose the easiest alignment from Madras to the West Coast, and hoped that the major towns and cities would gradually move towards the line. That's why places like Vellore and Coimbatore are not the main lines. The railway head for Coimbatore was Podanur.
Until 1939, Coimbatore was on the branch line from Podanur to Mettupalayam and passengers had to depend on through coaches connecting trains to go from Podanur to Coimbatore. In 1939, a bypass line was opened at Podanur so that trains going towards MTP (The Niligiri express) need not reverse at Podanur. You can still see this alignment just before Podanur station where the mainline and the line from CBE merge. In 1953, the loop line from Irugur via Coimbatore North was opened that finally brought CBE onto the main route.

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