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Blog Entry# 2248581
Posted: Apr 24 2017 (14:26)

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Apr 24 2017 (14:26)   22924/Jamnagar - Bandra Terminus Humsafar Express
Karan Jain~
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In my opinion, Chair car composition is not an ideal one for UDAY as there was scope for sleeper class accomodation.. Russia is a beautiful example.. Check dis video link -
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No doubt IR is making efforts towards better capacity augmentation but even presently not all chair car DDs are that successful.. am sure sleeper double decker would have been a better and desirable option. Maybe cost economics would have made IR skeptical
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Russian DD SL coach ki capacity isliye kum hai kyunki usme Side lower or side upper berth nahi hai. 16 coupes/compartments hai upper or lower deck mila ker or per coupe 4 seats hai. Agar AC 2nd layout ko implement kiya jaye or side me bhi berths de to per coach 32 berths badh jayenge or per coach capacity 96 ho jayegi. Ye realistic hai kyunki coach ka width to fixed hai. 96 Sleeper berths 120 Chair car seats se definitely better hai.
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Apr 24 2017 (17:21)
TouristerDivyanshu^~
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itne bhide coaches h
gap dekhiye aamne saamne ki seat me
har seat pe ladai hogi
kuki bhartiya logo k pass samaan b bhut hota h
:D :P
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Apr 24 2017 (21:06)
Karan Jain~   499 blog posts
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Ministry has clarified that those upcoming would be of chaircar type kindly check recent news... That's the reason I wrote this blog, although I understand we need to wait for the blueprint of coaches
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I do agree that the addition of side-berths will increase the capacity, but there are a few problems here, whether we follow our existing DD coach or improve it inline with the Russian design. The dimensions of the final coach become a problem, as RDSO identified in their reports. (The reports of the studies are available online).
The main advantage for the Russian systems is the height. The Russian coaches are about 5.3m high and provide about 2.2 metres of head-room per level. Our existing DD coaches are only 4.3m high and the bottom level is only 1.8m high, which is barely sufficient for luggage space + sitting head room + head room for the upper berth.
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Our earlier side-middle berths had a little less than 2 feet of head room and they were quite cramped. With the same height as our current DD coaches, each level would be quite cramped, particularly for the upper berths, and not comfortable like their Russian counterparts. Currently, the maximum allowed height for the DD coaches is 4366mm, which has to be revised to allow more height ( and this itself infringes the guidelines for standard coaches, which had to be specially amended to allow DD coaches).
Adding side berths is also slightly problematic as the DD coaches are narrower than the normal LHB or ICF coaches ( 3040mm vs 3240 mm in normal coaches ). So, addition of side berths would make it further cramped inside. The Russian coaches also have about 15cm lesser width (around 3.1m) than our standard coaches. To have the same berth size as we do now, the corridor width will end up becoming narrower ( Currently 2 feet wide in single level coaches). With a side-berth in a DD coach with either our existing or the Russian dimensions, the corridor will be barely one foot wide and overall, the comfort levels would be very low.
Ultimately, with the present 'Maximum moving dimension' (MMD) constraints we have on IR, it is probably safe to say that having sleeper class DD coaches with both comfort and high-capacity is very difficult. IR does have designs for comfortable, high capacity coaches, but implementing that would require modifications on tracks, bridges and platforms to allow coaches with larger dimensions.

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Apr 25 2017 (11:47)
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Official sketch of Double Decker coaches describes it's width as 3135 mm BTW standard height of OHE wires from track surface remains around 5.55-5.60 meter so if the height of Double Decker coaches increased from existing 4.3 meters to at least 5 metes then Sleeper berths arrangement in a AC 2nd configuration could be done both in upper and lower decks and as I have said running a 96 seat DD SL coach is far more better than a 120 seat Chair car coach for both railways as well as passengers. But for all this new DD coaches with new design and dimensions needs to developed but Railways isn't interested in that so its relaunching the old wine with a new name. God knows how they will provide Reclining seats+more legroom despite retaining the per coach carrying capacity as 120.
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